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>>ing from -- snooping from the fbi. jay edgar hoover ran the country for decades because he was in everyone's business and could blackmail any other competitor in government. you know, in retrospect was kind of a constitutional crisis for the country we resolved would never happen again. what we saw here the professionalization of the fbi is such that didn't happen here, right? eric holder isn't like, we think, gathering up this foin and using it. >> the opposite. unambitious bureaucrat takes down the head of the cia. >> the head of the cia doesn't know what every celebrity has been known for many years. >> outrage he's not bitter -- >> e-mail is not prior to. and it hasn't been for so many years. i mean what we send out there on the internet is virtually public domain. >> hank paulson before congress during sort of post-t.a.r.p. hearings and asked about his e-mail and he said i don't use e-mail. like that is not how i roll. you see the reason. >> i don't know that hank paulson. >> they dictate it to a secretary which t
>>ing from -- snooping from the fbi. jay edgar hoover ran the country for decades because he was in everyone's business and could blackmail any other competitor in government. you know, in retrospect was kind of a constitutional crisis for the country we resolved would never happen again. what we saw here the professionalization of the fbi is such that didn't happen here, right? eric holder isn't like, we think, gathering up this foin and using it. >> the opposite. unambitious...
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and the fbi knew that two days earlier because it spoke with the people within the embassy and evacuate -- that it had evacuated and saved who said there was no demonstration and no right at. that is number one. but then he said, why are you picking on her? she does not having to do with an ghazi. -- if benghazi. she knows nothing about this. >> she volunteered. >> yes, but she knows nothing. and why is she talking about it? >> she was talking about it because somebody from the administration was going to speak and they put her out in what is known in the trade as a full of whiskey. she did every single shell. she was not privy to it, but she did have the administration's distilled intelligence on it. that is what she was representing. to the best of my knowledge, she did not say anything that the administration did not want her to say. but i think that the impression left by the president in the press conference is that this is my manhood involved. she is my nominee and then she pulls herself. >> still ahead, the fiscal cliff. come along for the ride. >> we had a very constructive meet
and the fbi knew that two days earlier because it spoke with the people within the embassy and evacuate -- that it had evacuated and saved who said there was no demonstration and no right at. that is number one. but then he said, why are you picking on her? she does not having to do with an ghazi. -- if benghazi. she knows nothing about this. >> she volunteered. >> yes, but she knows nothing. and why is she talking about it? >> she was talking about it because somebody from...
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had every leader of the intelligence community there, including folks from the state department, the fbi, everybody there was asked do you know who made these changes? and nobody knew. the only entity that reviewed the talking points that was not there was the white house. so that -- you know, i don't know whether -- what they said yesterday is exactly right or not, but what i do know is that every member of the intelligence community said that references to al-qaeda were removed by somebody and they don't know who. and references to attacks versus demonstrations were removed by somebody. >> let me ask you a question. will your committee, call on excuse son rice to ask her to testify? >> i don't know the answer to that right now. we will talk about that. we have two more hearings scheduled. >> do you think she will be called? >> she's going to have to come in and of it at some point. whether it's in a closed hearing or open hearing. we will have an open hearing too but at some point she needs to come in and say what the president or the white house directed her to say. >> senator leiberm
had every leader of the intelligence community there, including folks from the state department, the fbi, everybody there was asked do you know who made these changes? and nobody knew. the only entity that reviewed the talking points that was not there was the white house. so that -- you know, i don't know whether -- what they said yesterday is exactly right or not, but what i do know is that every member of the intelligence community said that references to al-qaeda were removed by somebody...
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i think really, too, the focus tomorrow is going to be on the fbi and the fbi's deputy director, sean joyce, is going to have some hearings. as you heard right at the top of the show, piers, members of congress are very upset that they weren't notified about this. was there a national security risk, if there was, they should have been notified. if there wasn't a national security risk, why did the fbi go to james clapper, the director of national intelligence, on the night of the election. so maybe the president will put some of those things to rest tomorrow. but the fbi really hasn't come out and said much at all so a lot of the information that's been coming out about this case has been through leaks and anonymous sources. >> i think the reason the fbi is not saying anything is because this is going to be deeply embarrassing when we get to the bottom of it. thank you both very much. >>> i want to turn to a member of general petraeus' inner circle, his former spokesman, colonel steve boylan. colonel, thank you for joining me. when did you last speak to david petraeus? >> i spoke with
i think really, too, the focus tomorrow is going to be on the fbi and the fbi's deputy director, sean joyce, is going to have some hearings. as you heard right at the top of the show, piers, members of congress are very upset that they weren't notified about this. was there a national security risk, if there was, they should have been notified. if there wasn't a national security risk, why did the fbi go to james clapper, the director of national intelligence, on the night of the election. so...
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you served a long career in the fbi. you have a shirtless fbi agent, his picture circulating out there. he was involved, apparently, in some way in getting this information publicly. how does this impact the murail of the fbi men and women? >> the fbi agents in particular were not happy about the characterization of the shirtless agent and the pictures that went out. it's been established that picture was sent a long time ago, had nothing to do with this, and it was a joke on the part of that agent who had this picture taken in between two dummies and make it look like he was a target at the range, and he sent it to a number of people including the media. >> the fbi has really been amazing over these past few decades. since the sordid days of j. edgar hoover in rebuilding its reputation. an incident like this could have a negative impact. >> it could but it won't. the agents should not have got outside of the fbi. that's why these protocols exist. that's why the white house wasn't notified, because of what happened decad
you served a long career in the fbi. you have a shirtless fbi agent, his picture circulating out there. he was involved, apparently, in some way in getting this information publicly. how does this impact the murail of the fbi men and women? >> the fbi agents in particular were not happy about the characterization of the shirtless agent and the pictures that went out. it's been established that picture was sent a long time ago, had nothing to do with this, and it was a joke on the part of...
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we will deal with the fbi -- and i think we should deal with the fbi, on security on the question of the line of notification. going forward we cannot have the white house not being informed, if it's necessary in the protection of the american people. >> the question is time. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee, thank you so much for your time. let's go back to dana and to you susan. dana, you first. the issue about david petraeus. what was known, what happened when, the president did address the issue yesterday, though he moved on quickly. should the president have been notified earlier? >> it sounds like as a general matter, what the congresswoman is saying is correct. there should be some definition of when an investigation needs to be brought up. but certainly if the fbi is looking to something in the white house you want want them alerting the white house. in the case of petraeus, nobody is furnishing any evidence that national security was compromised in any way. which raises the question, why was this so important in the first place and why is this worth ending the career of t
we will deal with the fbi -- and i think we should deal with the fbi, on security on the question of the line of notification. going forward we cannot have the white house not being informed, if it's necessary in the protection of the american people. >> the question is time. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee, thank you so much for your time. let's go back to dana and to you susan. dana, you first. the issue about david petraeus. what was known, what happened when, the president...
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first, new information about the fbi agent who has now been identified. nbc has confirmed he is frederick humphries who worked on the bomb squad case. after kelley received e-mails from four or five alias counties. the e-mails have been traced back to petraeus biography paula broadwell, who remains at her brother's home in washington, d.c. he still has not commented on the case. there are new details to talk about. joining me is michael isikoff. what more have we learned about why kelley was concerned enough that the e-mails be forwarded to the fbi? >> we have learned a little bit more about the e-mails. remember, the first one actually goes to general allen in afghanistan from an e-mail account identified as kell kellkelly pat trt kelly patrol talking about his upcoming meeting with jill kelley in tampa. and what was most concerning about the e-mails, we're told from kelley's perspective is they seem to know the comings and goings of general allen, other generals at the u.s. central command and the special operations command, and in one case apparently c
first, new information about the fbi agent who has now been identified. nbc has confirmed he is frederick humphries who worked on the bomb squad case. after kelley received e-mails from four or five alias counties. the e-mails have been traced back to petraeus biography paula broadwell, who remains at her brother's home in washington, d.c. he still has not commented on the case. there are new details to talk about. joining me is michael isikoff. what more have we learned about why kelley was...
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remember her fbi friend that started the investigation? turns out he was also the person who called house majority leader eric cantor and told him what he knew. one more character connecting petraeus and allen in this messy web, jill's twin sister natalie, just weeks ago both generals wrote letters in support of natalie in a custody battle over her four-year-old son. "the washington post" is now reporting according to advisers close to petraeus petraeus only resigned after national intelligence director james clapper told him to do so. joining me now, spencer ackerman senior writer for "wired" who writes for their national security blog the danger room and nbc's richard wolf. richard, i don't know i don't know much about waging war. i do know a little bit about living life. and these generals are writing absolutely crazy letters which i don't have time to read to a judge in a custody battle. >> right. >> a woman who has lost custody of her son, and in this country it is not easy for women to lose custody of children in these situations, th
remember her fbi friend that started the investigation? turns out he was also the person who called house majority leader eric cantor and told him what he knew. one more character connecting petraeus and allen in this messy web, jill's twin sister natalie, just weeks ago both generals wrote letters in support of natalie in a custody battle over her four-year-old son. "the washington post" is now reporting according to advisers close to petraeus petraeus only resigned after national...
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what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting criminal investigations to the white house and others actually stem way back to the watergate scandal. an investigation back then uncovered abuses and mistakes and the justice department has since made changes. i have a cold... i took dayquil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] dayquil doesn't treat that. huh? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus rushes relief to all your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! reminds me of our network before cdw virtualized it. how
what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting...
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today they hear from the top intelligence folks from the cia, the fbi, the national intelligence office and they are learning some of the time line. we are told they're getting a sense of what was known, and why did this whole controversy bubble up about a video, a spontaneous protest or an intentional act of terror, which is such a part of the political dynamic here. what we hear from members who were in the earlier briefing, the senate briefing is happening right now, is that there was a difference in the nature of the attacks. the first wave of the attack appeared more chaotic. the second attack went on over a period of seven hours appeared far more coordinated with command and control, the ability to bring weaponry, things like that, that cause some of this unease about how to decide who was behind it and what was going on. when you talk about frustrations, there are those political frustrations but also a lot of frustrations here about wanting to get to the bottom of it to know what happened, why chris stevens, the ambassador, his pleas for additional security, his warnings about d
today they hear from the top intelligence folks from the cia, the fbi, the national intelligence office and they are learning some of the time line. we are told they're getting a sense of what was known, and why did this whole controversy bubble up about a video, a spontaneous protest or an intentional act of terror, which is such a part of the political dynamic here. what we hear from members who were in the earlier briefing, the senate briefing is happening right now, is that there was a...
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the fbi calls you and says, we know this, you know this, no one else knows this, you're operating on one -- >> congressman becerra, get in the middle between those guys. >> there was a personal failing, a deep, severe personal failing. does it break into the realm of the public world, the responsibilities that -- >> what about judgment? what about judgment? >> well, that's surely the point. >> isn't that the bottom line here. >> the american people are not moral-less about this. they never gave up their affection for and job approval of bill clinton. this is a question of you want your cia director to have good judgment. is that asking too much? and this was obviously a case of bad judgment. there's a -- i would hope, by the way -- >> and should it just be the cia director or should it be anybody? where do you draw the line? >> i don't know where you draw the line but especially the cia director. this might also be a good time for the country to think about the militarization of the cia. i'm not sure we should have military leaders leading the cia, people in the military. >> that's b
the fbi calls you and says, we know this, you know this, no one else knows this, you're operating on one -- >> congressman becerra, get in the middle between those guys. >> there was a personal failing, a deep, severe personal failing. does it break into the realm of the public world, the responsibilities that -- >> what about judgment? what about judgment? >> well, that's surely the point. >> isn't that the bottom line here. >> the american people are not...
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last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were exchanged over a two-year span. his confirmation is being held up. that's a big deal. >> it's a huge deal. the story is changing by the hour. every hour there are new allegations as pertains to general allen. 20 to 30,000 pages worth of documents. first 30,000 e-mails. you think that's not the case because it would be mathematically impossible. but how much time is he spending as the commander of the war in afghanistan e-mailing this woman. that's one of the central issues to sort out is how distracted is this general from what is supposed to be his main job, which is winning the war in afghanista
last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were...
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why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department or from the fbi any national security concerns. >> well, let me go to david wood on that very point. david, your sense of this watching it from above, meaning from the policy level looking at the sordidness of this, what does it mean? it looks like petraeus' career has ended. he did the honorable thing i think in the end by just falling on his sword. that's over with. what about general allen, our commander in afghanistan? this would seem to be somewhat distracting to be sending something like 30,000 e-mails or whatever out. i don't even know how
why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department...
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the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet, and he thought that the justice department and the fbi were dragging their feet, so he -- that's why he went to the hill. >> okay. let me get back to david on this, on the military end of this thing. why was petraeus basically forced to resign? why did the matter come to his superior, mr. clapper, head of intelligence -- all the intelligence services? why was it going through channels? why did he get confronted with basically a request to resign? how did that happen if this wasn't criminal, what he was doing? >> because he wasn't on active duty,
the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet,...
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as you know, this arose from the fbi starting an investigation into an unrelated matter and they came across evidence of his sexual misconduct. at this point, there does not seem to be any evidence of anything criminal or of the mishandling of classified information. at least that we know thus far. given that, do you think that the fbi should tell congress and tell the white house about evidence they uncover of personal sexual misconduct by political figures? or should that be kept private? >> well, i believe that the standard has to be, does this have an impact on our national security? so far, we haven't seen anything that gives evidence of that. we have another balance that we have to strike, our founders had to do it, the beginning of our country, and we still do, except now with communication the way it is in a different way. and that's a balance between security and liberty. and so how do you make that balance? should congress and the president be informed of hearsay? i don't think so. what is triggered about informing the congress in any event, just talking about congress, does
as you know, this arose from the fbi starting an investigation into an unrelated matter and they came across evidence of his sexual misconduct. at this point, there does not seem to be any evidence of anything criminal or of the mishandling of classified information. at least that we know thus far. given that, do you think that the fbi should tell congress and tell the white house about evidence they uncover of personal sexual misconduct by political figures? or should that be kept private?...
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and the fbi and the cia and that might have something to do with it. it is a situation that has turned tampa, and again, we have seen it on "saturday night live" running the humorous skit, but at the heart of it is macdill air force base which is right now observing events in israel, they don't control the military affairs there, but over in egypt as well as the rest of the region, so they have a lot on their mind as well as u.s. special options command and as well as the area that brings in millions off dollars into the local community. so it is a mandate to engage with the community and that is what parts of this "friends with macdill" was. >> well, talk about the probe and how that it is run to investigate and reveal, i guess, how many people around the community have access to the nation's military leaders. >> no, they know. there's about 800 people on the "friends of macdill" program and created by the previous base commanders to get community leaders on to the base in daylight hours and nonsecure areas to engage with the community. what they are
and the fbi and the cia and that might have something to do with it. it is a situation that has turned tampa, and again, we have seen it on "saturday night live" running the humorous skit, but at the heart of it is macdill air force base which is right now observing events in israel, they don't control the military affairs there, but over in egypt as well as the rest of the region, so they have a lot on their mind as well as u.s. special options command and as well as the area that...
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september -- >> so just two months ago -- >> just two months ago, while the fbi investigation was going on, both general petraeus and cia director and general allen and as commander of u.s. forces in afghanistan, within two days of each other, write letters vouching for the sister of jill kelley saying she deserves more time with her son. a judge had placed very strict limits on her visitation with her own son after awarding custody to her ex-husband. the judge had found -- the judge had found, and i quote, that jill kelley's sister has extreme personal deficits in the areas of honesty and integrity. that was in a court ruling in november of 2011. and then in september of 2012 the director of the cia is writing a letter vouching for -- >> so, the judge has this assessment of jill's -- >> jill kelley's sister. >> right, right. >> and then general petraeus, as districter of the cia and general allen both wrote letters this past september on behalf of this sister as a favor to jill kelley? >> well, we can presume as a favor to jill kelley, general petraeus, then-cia director petraeus refer
september -- >> so just two months ago -- >> just two months ago, while the fbi investigation was going on, both general petraeus and cia director and general allen and as commander of u.s. forces in afghanistan, within two days of each other, write letters vouching for the sister of jill kelley saying she deserves more time with her son. a judge had placed very strict limits on her visitation with her own son after awarding custody to her ex-husband. the judge had found -- the...
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meanwhile, the fbi is still trying to wrap up the petraeus incident. they're looking through potential evidence taken from paul lal broadwell's home during a consensual search earlier this week. now, amid allegations that she mishandled classified information, the army has yanked broadwell's security clearance. and on cnnhead line news, broadwell hasn't made any public comments, even in print. meanwhile, petraeus will make it back on capitol hill to testify tomorrow on benghazi. joining me nbc's correspondent kelly o'donnell. and brad gilman, editor-at-large for "time" magazine. he wrote the cover story entitled "the petraeus affair." there's a whole lot of hearings on benghazi which, of course, all will sort of bleed into the petraeus affair. give us the lineup today and what you expect to hear? >> you're right, chuck. there is so much overlap, what we've heard from someone planning the committee meeting, intel, for both the house and senate side, they wanted to separate those matters of personal and security concerns to the issue that brought it to t
meanwhile, the fbi is still trying to wrap up the petraeus incident. they're looking through potential evidence taken from paul lal broadwell's home during a consensual search earlier this week. now, amid allegations that she mishandled classified information, the army has yanked broadwell's security clearance. and on cnnhead line news, broadwell hasn't made any public comments, even in print. meanwhile, petraeus will make it back on capitol hill to testify tomorrow on benghazi. joining me...
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to sources this last meeting between the two apparently happened after bro broadwell admitted to the fbi that she and petraeus had an affair. we get our "1st look" at the fbi agent who actually started the investigation that led to the cia director's resignation. this is frederick w. humphreys ii, a personal friend of jill kelley. lawmakers have to wait another day before hearing general petraeus's testimony on benghazi. there were questions of whether the former cia director would take part in the house intelligence committee. instead he will appear behind closed doors with both intelligence committees tomorrow where leaders will zero in on all of the information they have been wanting to get from him. let me bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. she's standing by. kelly, there's a new report out today that in the last few days of his tenure with the cia that general petraeus really wanted a time line of events and some other information released, perhaps clarify the cia and the information it had. >> well, they've been trying to piece together information, and p
to sources this last meeting between the two apparently happened after bro broadwell admitted to the fbi that she and petraeus had an affair. we get our "1st look" at the fbi agent who actually started the investigation that led to the cia director's resignation. this is frederick w. humphreys ii, a personal friend of jill kelley. lawmakers have to wait another day before hearing general petraeus's testimony on benghazi. there were questions of whether the former cia director would...
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have confidence in the fbi. not a ringing endorsement. he said i generally have confidence but let me get all the facts about what happened. the fbi under robert muller, who has so much integrity and is highly respected, argues they were doing the right thing. the fbi agent interestingly, this is what we found out today, the fbi agent who brought this originally to congress and to eric cantor who called muller, says he never meant to be a whistle-blower. he was not trying to make a big deal about this case. he just wanted to quietly get it moving and he told a friend who went to a congressman from washington state where fredrick humphries is from who went to eric cantor and that's how it got to muller. >> okay, okay. >> he's being incorrectly called a whistle-blower. >> sari, he goes to a congress person, going outside of his agency, about a person who is being accuse -- somebody who is making accusations of being harassed by e-mail. is that important enough hearing from some other woman jealous of her, that tha
have confidence in the fbi. not a ringing endorsement. he said i generally have confidence but let me get all the facts about what happened. the fbi under robert muller, who has so much integrity and is highly respected, argues they were doing the right thing. the fbi agent interestingly, this is what we found out today, the fbi agent who brought this originally to congress and to eric cantor who called muller, says he never meant to be a whistle-blower. he was not trying to make a big deal...